Bought in 9/23 new from Widow. Asbell grip, tillered even as they do on all stock bows so you can shoot either split or 3 under. This was new stock bow not a demo. I shot less than 50 arrows through it to bare shaft tune and set up to hunt with in October. Never hunted with as good fortune blessed me with a like new Schafer Silvertip that I fell in love with a week before hunting season. Save $285 and a seven month wait. Like new no marks or scratches (pristine) will come in the box from Widow just as I received it. $1100 shipped to you lower 48. 901-483-1511